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iWorship vs. Pro Presenter

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We currently use Pro Presenter. iWorship is fairly new, but appears to be similar in certain ways. Would love to hear comments and thoughts on:

iWorship vs. Pro Presenter

Has anyone used both and willing to comment?

Thanks!
Shrop

Mark Shropshire "shrop"
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D-rok
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Hi I am a new Mac user and a

Hi I am a new Mac user and a Young Life leader. We usually use MediaShout, but I had a few questions about these programs before we use them. In Iworship it seemed like you could not easily insert a video or much of anything until you added a second monitor. I don't know if this is just my ignorance, or what. But it was really frustrating that I could not set up a presentation w/o a second monitor attached? Am I correct in this statement? Also, is ProPresenter as easy to train someone to use as MediaShout. Usually we allow a kid to just hit the spacebar for us in mediashout. And this is all they need to do. Thanks and God Bless

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Depends on the kid

I think this depends on the kid. As I've really learned recently, a lot of kids are better with this technology than adults. If something is more difficult they may actually be better at picking it up than an adult.

Just something to think about. Though, this does depend on the kid.

Matt Farina
Geeks and God Co-Host
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
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Matt Farina
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Joined: 01/31/2008
My personal experience...

Hope you don't mind me chiming in here. I have had a very personal experience using ProPresenter, as this is the presentation software we used at Granger Community Church for several years. As a disclaimer, I am the developer of iWorship. I will try to be as unbiased as possible and just share our experience at GCC with the two programs.

iWorship was really birthed out of our frustration using ProPresenter. It's a powerful program, don't get me wrong, but was completely unintuitive and not a very Mac-like program. Especially since our weekend services are mostly run by volunteers, we needed something that we could easily teach someone how to use. Add to that the fact that our volunteers are on a 4-6 week rotation, we also needed something that they wouldn't have to be re-trained on every time they weren't using it for a month.

This isn't to say that ProPresenter is "bad" ... it's just the simple things that make it hard to learn. Some of the things you come to expect in a Mac program like double-clicking to edit, dragging and dropping to reorder, and just the look and feel it lacks. It was also very hard to make changes "on the fly" during a service or rehearsal when speed is crucial.

With iWorship I spent painstaking time and detail on giving it a "simple" look while keeping the powerful features that are needed. An example of this is the media tray which can simply hide when you don't need it. This lessens the intimidation factor and complication of being overwhelmed with everything being visible. As a result our training times have gone down from an hour, to 15-20 minutes. I even know of a couple instances where someone just sat down and just trained themselves to use iWorship and now run it fluently -- unheard of before we started using iWorship.

You can compare the features as well, but I think this is really what sets iWorship apart. iWorship is younger in it's development so it may not have a feature or two that ProPresenter does. However, the core functionality along with plenty of useful features are already there within only one year of development and two months of being out on the market. Development is still continuing strong as I move to focus more on the features requested by the churches using iWorship in their weekly productions.

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On the Show?

Hey There Albert...
This seems to be an issue many of our listeners are interested in. Would you be willing to come on the podcast and talk about iWorship? (I'd love to do the same with the Pro Presenter or any other worship software people in the future)

I think it could give people some good info about the options they have in worship software. Let us know via our contact form if you're interested.

And, as listeners...would you be interested in hearing from the folks that develop these products?

-Rob Feature
Geeks and God Co-Host
www.mustardseedmedia.com

-Rob Feature
Geeks and God Co-Host
www.mustardseedmedia.com

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Yes please! I would love to

Yes please! I would love to hear from the guys that develop both apps. This would be fantastic!

Thanks!
Shrop

Mark Shropshire "shrop"
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Thanks for the details and

Thanks for the details and being up front about your role as the developer.

I think it rocks that you developed the app to fullfil a need as an end-user. That is how Pro Presenter was born if I remember correctly.

We have had similar issues with training volunteers for Pro Presenter, but we usually work them out. We will have to do a feature (we use) to feature comparison between the two apps. Stability is a huge issue for us too. We have had issues with Pro Presenter crashing lately. I have not been able to determine if it is our MBP so I am reloading a clean Tiger install this week.

It would be great if you would interview with Rob and MF sometime in the future.

Thanks!
Shrop

Mark Shropshire "shrop"
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Ryan Blake
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I found it interesting that

I found it interesting that Apple named ProPresenter a "Staff Pick" and while iWorship was submitted for such consideration, it did not receive the same props from Apple. That is pretty telling to me.

Comment from Renewed Vision

Wow! Where did this all come from? Matt here from Renewed Vision (makers of ProPresenter). I just wanted to give my two cents here since Albert has chosen to share his opinions about our software in this public forum. I might add this is the first time we've ever expressed any thoughts publicly about a competitor (and our only post here). We try to avoid being critical, especially given our naturally biased tendencies, as it goes against our business principles. We may occasionally answer a question, but prefer to leave opinions to the users. That said, let me start by commending Albert on his accomplishments and we wish him luck with his endeavor. We do, however, get a little frustrated at these continuous efforts to discredit ProPresenter in favor of iWorship because we just don't understand where they are coming from.

It's true Granger has never bought ProPresenter 3 - the version we've had out since December of 2006. So how would you have these frustrating experiences training volunteers on ProPresenter 3 when Granger doesn't even own it? Now if your comparisons are based on our MUCH older version, ProPresenter 2, isn't that rather misleading since the differences between the two are enormous? Please be clear which version you're referring to verses just saying ProPresenter. I won't deny any actual experiences with our much older version, but it was for these very reasons we completely re-wrote the application from the ground up using the latest tools for OS X. ProPresenter 3 is nothing like ProPresenter 2 barring the use of the slide metaphor (foregrounds and backgrounds). To compare iWorship to ProPresenter 2 would be like comparing Mac OS X to Mac OS 9. It's just not fair and to do so and it's disingenuous not to state this in your comparisons. They are different generations of software. We would never compare your first Beta to our current version.

The proper comparison would be between the latest versions of both. We welcome an open and fair review by an impartial third party. As many have noticed, it's quite obvious there are some striking similarities in Interface and design. The media tray you mention above works just like our Backgrounds panel has since the beginning. You just have yours at the top verses ours at the bottom. Intuitiveness and ease-of-use have never been greater as evidenced by hundreds of customer testimonials. Anyone can see for themselves by reading a small sampling of those reviews on our home page (www.RenewedVision.com) or trying the demo out for 5 minutes. Many report training volunteers in 5-10 minutes or less which has always been our goal. I'm not sure how professional it is for the author of a program to say their competitor's product is "completely unintuitive and not a very Mac-like program." Comments like this are condescending and offensive, not to mention a little deceptive as described. Anyone looking at the two can see how this is an obvious exaggeration.

Another frustration is we have great personal relationships with all our competition (EasyWorship, LiveWorship, MediaShout, and others). The reason is we've never had to discredit or bash them to get ahead. In fact, none of us even have any experience using these programs and prefer it this way so we're not inclined to borrow or copy from them. This is why ProPresenter has always looked different and unique since it's inception in 1999 when compared to all others... until now. Our marketing is simple: we just show folks the features of ProPresenter and let them decide for themselves. Yet for some reason we seem to be the butt of every one of iWorship's comparisons on your forum or public arenas when we've done nothing deserve it.

It's important to understand there is room for all of us in this market. ProPresenter does not have to lose for iWorship to win. We'd just like the negative tone towards us to be lifted as we're trying to do nothing more than glorify God with our products. Their sole purpose is to help churches improve the caliber of their services and their subsequent impact and draw. We feel blessed every single day that we get to feed our families doing something that hopefully helps to expand the Kingdom. If we keep this our focus, we'll both do well and hopefully be good friends maintaining a healthy spirit of competition. I truly hope we can meet some day soon and put this nonsense behind us.

Anonymous
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Trailblazer

I do this production thing for a living and with the excellence always in mind. My team and I run software and hardware through the ringer pushing it to its limitations and capitalizing on its strengths.

I downloaded iWorship to see what it had to offer. My very first impression was that the makers of Pro Presenter had sold their code to the makers of iWorship. The clean look and powerful features that were commented earlier in this thread look just like Pro Presenter.

[i]"With iWorship I spent painstaking time and detail on giving it a "simple" look while keeping the powerful features that are needed. An example of this is the media tray which can simply hide when you don't need it."[/i]...Renovatio

I cant help but think that the painstaking time and detail were already put in by the makers of Pro Presenter. Just about every feature that Pro Presenter developed was copied by iWorship. There is not really anything new in iWorship.

My second impression of iWorship was not a positive one. It crashed within the first 5 minutes I used it.

In my opinion, when comparing the two programs, iWorship is a substandard blatant imitation of Pro Presenter at a higher price tag.

Had iWorship looked different, had different features, and been cheaper, then I may have considered looking at it for a second time.

For now I will stick with the real Pro Presenter and not a copy

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Thank You

Matt - Thank you for your comment and your time. That is a very well written response.

I think this brings up two very important topics we need to think about as Christians.

1) How we present our products and services in light of others who are competing in the same field but have the same end goal. To glorify God. Competition here is good because it drives us to do better work. Yet, the character we carry ourselves with through all of this is important. We are supposed to do everything with love, kindness, and care.

2) We have to be careful not to misrepresent the issues. This happens in marketing all the time. Comparing apples and orange juice is how this is often done. It's not the apples and oranges comparisons that they lead on. Saying that OS X is better than Windows is so open. Which version of windows. There is no doubt it's better than Windows 3.1. But, that point is irrelevant.

Yet, as Christians we are held to a higher standard. We need to take special care to accurately represent the truth. If we misrepresent it anywhere or have a heart to misrepresent it how will people trust us when it comes to more important issues than a software app?

No, I don't know all the ins and outs of this situation and I'm not trying to or going to point any fingers here. I wouldn't know where to begin and this isn't my place. These are just things we all need to take into account as we do everything we do.

Matt Farina
Geeks and God Co-Host
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
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Matt Farina
Geeks and God Former Co-Host
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Brian
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UI

I'll state up front that I'm probably biased as I've used ProPresenter for several years, but that being said, it's interesting to me that people seem to be heralding the cleanness and intuitiveness of the UI but it's clearly not so as far as I'm concerned.

The most telling feature is that there's two "Help" menus on the toolbar. When I first saw this I thought that maybe one was a standard help menu while another was somehow used differently, but they're both the same thing.

The second thing I noticed was when I went to look at the preference panel. I went up to iWorship > Preferences and clicked. Nothing happened. I thought it might just be a little slow, but after several seconds it still didn't come up. I went up and clicked on it again, and this time it opened. I thought it was a little strange but didn't really think about it too hard. I clicked over to the formatting tab only to have the program crash. When I reopened it to keep looking through the preferences I used the hotkey command (command+,) but once again had to do it twice to make anything happen.

Finally, I was displeased at the slide editing and apparent lack of support for multiple playlists. The latter is pretty self explanatory so I won't really get into it, but what really turned me off about the editing was that when I clicked the "X" at the top of the slide I was editing, it didn't take me out of edit mode, but instead deleted the slide! Now, maybe this is just my experience from Pro pouring over, but that is completely non-intuitive.

These issues along with none of the buttons in the interface being labeled or having "on mouseover" descriptions of them really left me with a sour taste in my mouth over the UI.

As far as I can see, this is just a knock-off of ProPresenter, trying to do what it does so well, but never quite hitting the mark. As Apple said in one of their keynotes last year, "If you can't innovate, you might as well imitate, but the results are never quite the same."

luke McElroy
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Ahead of it's Time

I don't really know where to start. I somehow stumbled upon this website through a series of links of sorts... but I am pretty blown away by some of the comments on the site. It probably needs to be said that I am a ProPresenter [PP] user, but I have also had some time to play around with iWorship a bit. HOWEVER, like it has been mentioned I have only had limited use of the software when I ran it because I didn't have a second display.

If you just look at the comparison of the two programs as far as the development ProPresenter has the lead on this front. The program was designed for flexibility and stability. I don't want to say never, but of all the presentation software I have used [MediaShout, SongShowPlus, EasyWorship, SundayPlus, and ProPresenter], PP has the highest rating of stability I can give. I have never, during a worship set, had PP crash. I will say, like it was said above that it has crashed a few times when I was setting up a song, but I have had the same experience with iWorship, so we can't say that it is something that causes iWorship to be better.

If you take a look at the design and overall layout of the programs, there is something that cannot be overlooked which was brought up in the post with the picture. iWorship cannot come on here and say that they were innovative in a few areas such as the format bar and the double-click to edit. PP has had [it looks like with the picture since 2006, im not sure myself on the release of PP3] Quick Edit, Format Bar, Playlists, and the overall slide view of the program, which seem to look similar to the recent release of iWorship. I do not want to bash, but if the developer of the software wants to come on the forum, I think it should be noted that ProPresenter was actually the first to invent the functionality of these features.

But, here is where I think the reader should look to see what causes PP to stand above the pack and ahead of their time:
1. No Bible Database - the new version of ProPresenter has a fully functioning Bible software with a whole slew of versions to use in churches.
2. No Audio Synchronizing - in Pro, you can set up a song to automate for you if you are in an environment where you are either short on Tech staff, or you don't have a band and are using CD's or tracks for the supplement [i.e. kids ministries]. You set up the song [with backgrounds and music] and press play to run it.
3. Slide Timings - in Pro, you can automate slides another way, by a slide timing. Here you have the opportunity to trigger a series of pictures of movies, one after another automatically. [great for announcements or walk-in videos.]
4. CCLI/song copyright - both do have this... must note. but with PP it can show up on the first slide automatically... in iWorship you almost had to click a "get more information" button to have it appear. one extra step for churches who use it regularly.
5. Announcement Cue - PP has a feature that allows to have a quick announcement pop up on the screen independent from the words in the song [i.e. come get your screaming child.]
6. Count Down Timer - in the latest version of PP, they built in a countdown program. This can count down to a specific time [like 11:00am] or a set amount of time [like 5 min.]
7. Previewing Presentation - in PP the entire software works regardless of the secondary display, not in iWorship. this was actually mentioned above i think. PP allows you to simply hit CMD+1 to see a full screen version of the slide if you don't have a secondary display up. regardless though, PP will still work as a program including it's preview window wherever and however your setup.
8. Sound Effects - in PP, I have the option to specify sound clips to be either a song, or a sound effect. This is extremely useful in an environment where you have music and sound effects needed, because you can overlay them in PP.
9. WYSIWYG Layout - this was crucial for me, and the large thing that sold me to PP when looking at it amongst other softwares. in Pro, you actually see the exact slide that will go on the screen. in iWorship, you can see the way the text fits on the screen, but when you change fonts, the font on the slide-view does not change. therefore, it is tough to know exactly what your slides are going to look like before it goes on the screen in front of the congregation.
10. Support - I understand that that iWorship is a newer program, but the support in Pro has the upper hand here. Beyond the fact that if you call the support number on their site, you will most likely speak with a developer [has always been my experience], you can also go to their website and get in-depth training videos and tutorials if you were confused about how to do something. Pro also has a forum, where ideas have been spread and new features. The developer told me once that most of the features of Pro came directly from end users... thats pretty cool.

So, hopefully I have not lost you in this massive post, but I really think you should download the demos and play with them. I think you will see why myself, along with countless other churches [not to mention Passion Conferences, Youth Specialties, Breakforth Ministries, Orange Conferences, BigStuf Camps, and North Point Community Church are all huge fan's of this software]. Hopefully you will see why I in the end, chose ProPresenter. It definitely is ahead of it's time.

All better now

I just spoke with Albert for the first time as I've been wanting to meet him for a while now as well as clear the air here. Written communication is just no match for actually hearing someone's voice and getting to know them a little more in person, even if just over the phone. In good spirit I didn't want to leave things in any way muddy. I detest negative banter, so I figured it was a good time for us to make each others acquaintance and put this sort of stuff behind us. We had a nice conversation.

Clearly Albert is quite talented and has a program well worth looking at. Give it a try. If you like his product better, then by all means don't hesitate to buy it - sincerely. We are truly for whatever works best for enhancing your environment to impact the most people for God. We don't care if it's ProPresenter, iWorship, MediaShout, PowerPoint, or hand puppets. Comparisons are inevitable and I appreciate all our wonderful customers chiming in. However, I want to further encourage objective analysis verses inflammatory remarks as the latter accomplishes nothing and sets a poor example. The Lord has been kind and blessed our work. I pray He does the same for Albert.

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Awesome.

Flat out awesome Matthew. Thanks for sharing. I'm SO glad something great came of this...and that it could push two companies, who are brothers in Christ, to have a conversation.

It's so encouraging to hear this come to a good outcome!

-Rob Feature
Geeks and God Co-Host
www.mustardseedmedia.com

-Rob Feature
Geeks and God Co-Host
www.mustardseedmedia.com

'iWorship" name & comments

Let me start off by saying that:
1) I applaud a local church for stepping up and creating software that fits their environment and wants to resource other churches with their solution. It's great to see the local church in action, even in software development, instead of allowing a corporation or non-religious entity like Microsoft drive the technology in our churches (powerPoint is great...for business environments).
- i direct this applause right now to Granger/Albert, but i also love that ProPresenter was birthed out of a local church and ministry movement (NorthPoint CC/Passion Conferences).

2) I agree with the comments above comparing the softwares, no need to restate it all. I use ProPresenter and PVP in all my productions. I own and run a design/film/media company and we produce many large scale events and work with development on new products and visual content for other companies. I put my technology and creativity through the ringer, and ProP and PVP have come out SHINING!
- i also should note that I used to work for MediaShout for years...and it's a GREAT product for the PC environment, however, I am a Mac guy and the features/high-end quality of Renewed Vision products work better for my environment.
I do not work for Renewed Vision, but I do communicate closely with them and have a growing relationship with those amazing guys.
WYSIWYG isn't just about the software...it defines their individual characters, integrity and personalities.

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my main comment on 'iWorship" is the name. I'm curious as to if Granger did any market research at all before naming their product with the same name as one of the most popular visual content resources out there: Integrity's iWorship DVDs and new iWorship Flexx products (motion lyric video files).
www.iworshipnow.com
when i first started reading this, i was frustrated and honestly thought all of you had lost your mind comparing iWorship & ProPresenter. I thought "it's like comparing Highway Video with ProPresenter"...they aren't the same thing.
Then I did a Google search and a few results down I saw a link for actual SOFTWARE called iWorship. "what the ?!"
Integrity's iWorship is trademarked...and even if there's some legal loophole with the name, it's a bad marketing and business move on behalf of Granger.
I travel the nation constantly VJ-ing and teaching about media/video at many conferences...trust me, almost everyone knows about and uses the iWorship videos.
Now if Integrity launched software and put it under the iWorship brand umbrella, that MIGHT make sense...but this isn't the case.

so, while i again applaud a local church for being creative and taking the initiative to create something unique for their environment instead of relying on PowerPoint or ProPresenter 2, I must say that my initial thoughts and reaction to iWorship is disappointment. The UI seems like a knock-off of ProPresenter 3...they failed to compare it to the current and mainstream version of ProPresenter...it has the same name as an already popular visual worship product on the market...and even the screenshots on Renovatio's website use "Triplex" as the font, which was the ProPresenter standard/default in the older version and is now over-used everywhere (hey, i'm guilty of it, too, but i've since retired the font in my VJ-ing). it's all very misleading and cheap...
i love the Steve Jobs' quote above, and I agree. This seems like a classic case.
but hey, bring on the friendly competition, it only keeps the developers on their toes and makes all the options out there better and better.

sticking with ProPresenter (3),
proctor

Allen Gwinn
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Comparison: liveWorship versus Pro Presenter

Anyone used liveWorship? We are trying to figure out whether to buy a Pro Presenter site license or use liveWorship. One thing about LW that interests us is that it is cross-platform. Does anyone have any feedback pro-or-con about LW?

go with ProPresenter

i HIGHLY recommend ProPresenter. I've seen Live Worship somewhat...but i've heard some complaints. I honestly can't remember what though. and I never hear anything bad about Pro.
I'm not in favor of cross-platform software....here's why:
- not to bash PCs/Windows, but I'm sorry...it is FACT that you CANNOT do as many cool and creative/professional visual things with the technology from Microsoft. Apple SHINES here. But when someone creates something to be cross-platform, they usually keep both programs "equal" in features and abilities. Apple provides for much more, and Windows cannot. So to keep them equal, you are bound to the weakest system and the features it provides...hence, the Mac version will only do as much as the Windows version can handle.

This is why Renewed Vision is Mac only...not b/c they hate PCs, but b/c they commit to provide the BEST and most excellent solution available. and that's why their programs do things that Windows-based programs cannot. While Windows-programs are running to catch up, Renewed Vision is on an edge that you would not even imagine in terms of development and program, harnessing the powerful features and technology ONLY available on the Mac OS X platform.

Cam Moss
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ProPresenter / iWorship ease of use and stability

I would like to add some further comments on the ProPresenter / iWorship discussion. I have been working with duel-screen presentation platforms for almost 10 years now – both operating them and having others operate them for me. Most of what can be said has already been addressed, but I would like to specifically entertain a few of the comments made concerning ease of use for the operator (specifically volunteers) and program stability.

I travel the country as well as outside of the US frequently to lead worship for various camps, conferences and overseas ministry opportunities. In many of these environments, I have been forced to introduce ProPresenter to a volunteer chosen by the local ministry (usually a young high school or college student). After an average of 3-5 minutes of training, I have personally witnessed these inexperienced users run the program with flawless execution…including those in which English was their second language.

Some of the features that make ProPresenter easier to learn and use than iWorship are the ability to label and color code slides. For example, the beginning of the chorus can be labeled so that if the lead worshipper goes to it unexpectedly, then the operator can find it with ease. I personally have set up all my slides so that Verses are blue, Choruses are red, Bridges are brown and so on. When a volunteer runs the program, these features create great advantages when the song is unknown by the operator. Some might call these, “bells and whistles,” but I find these features to be a lifesaver for the novice and professional alike.

As it pertains to the “double-clicking to edit, dragging and dropping to reorder” found in iWorship, this is a huge DISADVANTAGE to the inexperienced and experienced user alike. Here is the problem…in a pressure situation, the hand muscles can easily double click instead of single click on the mouse (I have had this happen to me plenty of times). If a user accidentally double clicks on a slide in iWorship, then he is now in edit mode instead of displaying the intended lyrics on the presentation screen.

Likewise, if a user clicks on a slide so that it appears on the presentation screen and he/she accidentally holds down the mouse too long while moving to another slide, he could inadvertently “reorder” the presentation instead of move to another slide.

I am guessing that the Renewed Vision staff took this into consideration when writing the software so that inadvertent miscues could be avoided. Thus, ProPresenter requires a ctrl+click for most editing and re-ordering features.

Continuing on with easy of use, I find a big disadvantage by not having a “Presentation view” built into the interface in iWorship. This feature assures the operator that the intended slide is being displayed without the need to lift one’s head up to read the presentation screen, thus possibly losing ones place on the computer and missing a timely advancement to the next slide.

Finally, I found some major stability issues with iWorship. Everything ran well until I attempted to load jumpbacks and play them. The program crashed both times that I attempted these functions. Just to make sure there was nothing wrong with my computer, I immediately ran ProPresenter and had no trouble with either loading or playing moving images.

I am delighted to see a church create its own software. I agree with previous comments that we should be leading the technical arena. I hope that iWorship will continue to be used to effectively lead their congregation (as well as any other congregation that chooses to use the software) in the intimate worship of our glorious King. I know that is truly what we are all about!

To anyone out there who is deciding on what presentation software to use for your worship environment…take it from me, I have used them ALL. They are all great programs and I am delighted that they have all been developed (they are so much better than what I started out with years and years ago – overhead transparencies and Powerpoint). But if you want the very best, from stability to flexibility to easy of use to overall performance…ProPresenter is IT. Those guys at Renewed Vision have done a suberb job with this program as well as ProVideoPlayer and ProVideoSync.

Allen Gwinn
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liveWoship

I think we're going to give both of them a run through over the next couple of weeks. I'm not sure I agree with the Mac vs Windows argument--though I use both platforms and have for years.

It would be interesting to hear some specifics.

Greg D.
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Cocoa

the biggest difference you will see is that ProPresenter (and iWorship) were created with the Cocoa language, while LiveWorship was written in RealBasic to be able to be cross platform. Cocoa is the native language of OSX, so the Cocoa programs tend to feel more Mac Like. We are also able to better harness Core Image components that are part of OSX. I think the performance is where you end up seeing the difference here.

If you are using a machine for a solution, I honestly don't see the benefit of being cross platform. Obviously LiveWorship can sell to windows and mac users, but I doubt many churches use both versions for their services. The guys at LiveWorship are great. Definitely try both and go with what you like the best. See which programs have the best HD playback, which are the easiest to use, which have the most features, etc. Good luck!

vjProctor
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iWorship changes name to ProWorship?!

I just found out that iWorship changed it's name....to ProWorship.
It already seemed to copy/mimick the intuitive and original UI design of ProPresenter, and now it's doing the same with the name.
Seriously...am I the only one out there catching this?

I'm all about "options" in the market (though I don't need any as long as Renewed Vision is around)....and I'm definitely a fan of innovation and original design/ideas. I don't see that happening here.

David
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Our church is looking into

Our church is looking into the switch to a Mac based presenter, all I have to say is at least it's not EasyWorship!

iWorship question

Is iWorship a software compatible for a PC. Our church uses Media Shout (I'm our youth and worship pastor), and it's so clunky and unfriendly. Do you have any suggestions? We just purchased a new PC so that is something that will stay for at least another year or two.

Sincerely,

Chad Hogan

Joined: 10/21/2011
ProPresenter is our choice

Just thought I chip in with my thoughts.

Having worked as a music director in both a 50 member church in mainland Europe and a 10,000 church in London with various multi-media needs I can hand on heart tell you that

BY FAR the best software out there for church media is ProPresenter

. We constantly rely on volunteers for our services and I have on occasions had to pluck people from the congregation to cover for a missing volunteer on ProPresenter. It takes me NO MORE the 5min to train a new volunteer to use the basic features of ProPresenter.

For the iWorship guys to state that PP is unintuitive is simply to deceive people to be honest. The search facility on PP4 is fantastic. Within seconds you can "dial-up" any song in the database simply by typing a key word from the song and with ONE click then the song appears on screen. This feature alone has saved us a number of times when we've had spontaneous worship at the end of the services and had to sing songs which were not on the song list originally.

Every video background and text slide is simply activated by a sigle click... it does not get much easier than that. PP4 can be operated simple or complex as you want depending on the needs of the organisation.

In the past we have used pretty much every other software solution out there, but none has provided us with the ease and flexibility that PP4 offers.

Do yourselves a favour, spend a little more money on ProPresenter. You can tank them later :)

Joined: 11/10/2011
Pro Presenter

We just started using Pro Presenter. We migrated from Media Shout. While Pro PResenter is more like Power Point in edit features. There are critical features missing like how to start a presentation at a specific clock time. Editing is confusing and the background files keep going missing.

It has crashed about 25 times during my use in the last 4 hours. That is pretty frustrating. Most likely the test suite was not robust enough.